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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Java</title>
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		<title>By: senny</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>senny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working on a project to bring the good parts of eclipse to Emacs developers. If you have the time you should give emacs-eclim a try: http://github.com/senny/emacs-eclim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on a project to bring the good parts of eclipse to Emacs developers. If you have the time you should give emacs-eclim a try: <a href="http://github.com/senny/emacs-eclim" rel="nofollow">http://github.com/senny/emacs-eclim</a></p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had to work with Eclipse for a while. Don&#039;t miss the Emacs-Plus plugin, it is very nice.

http://www.mulgasoft.com/emacsplus/update-site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had to work with Eclipse for a while. Don&#8217;t miss the Emacs-Plus plugin, it is very nice.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mulgasoft.com/emacsplus/update-site" rel="nofollow">http://www.mulgasoft.com/emacsplus/update-site</a></p>
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		<title>By: Holub</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Holub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 for Aashik. I&#039;ve migrated from Eclipse to Netbeans. There is no reason to go back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for Aashik. I&#8217;ve migrated from Eclipse to Netbeans. There is no reason to go back.</p>
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		<title>By: Aashik</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Aashik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you try Netbeans ? Its delightfully straightforward :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you try Netbeans ? Its delightfully straightforward <img src='/~alex/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect these are all symptoms of the relatively immature state of Java on Linux. My work box is running the fairly old Hardy Heron (as that&#039;s what the product is based on) albeit with a fair amount of PPA&#039;s for newer tools (like Emacs ;-).

We are also stuck with OpenJDK as that is the safest from a distribution point of view.

The breakages I&#039;m seeing are probably a combination of old base OS and early OpenJDK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect these are all symptoms of the relatively immature state of Java on Linux. My work box is running the fairly old Hardy Heron (as that&#8217;s what the product is based on) albeit with a fair amount of PPA&#8217;s for newer tools (like Emacs <img src='/~alex/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>We are also stuck with OpenJDK as that is the safest from a distribution point of view.</p>
<p>The breakages I&#8217;m seeing are probably a combination of old base OS and early OpenJDK.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilya</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That strange, binary distribution of the Eclipse worked fine on my Ubuntu box when I did Java.
The only issue I run into was caused by GNU JVM which was installed on the system by default. It causes a lot of crashes.
To fix that, I just downloaded Sun JVM and put it under /your/path/to/eclipse/jre.
Hope that will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That strange, binary distribution of the Eclipse worked fine on my Ubuntu box when I did Java.<br />
The only issue I run into was caused by GNU JVM which was installed on the system by default. It causes a lot of crashes.<br />
To fix that, I just downloaded Sun JVM and put it under /your/path/to/eclipse/jre.<br />
Hope that will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Zlatanov</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Zlatanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run it from inside eshell personally but ack.el (Phil Jackson) is pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run it from inside eshell personally but ack.el (Phil Jackson) is pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice little tool, I shall have to give it a go next time. Which Emacs front end do you use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice little tool, I shall have to give it a go next time. Which Emacs front end do you use?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Zlatanov</title>
		<link>http://www.bennee.com/~alex/blog/2010/02/12/thoughts-on-java/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Zlatanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started using ack mainly because of Java&#039;s deep nesting.  It has lots of nice features for other languages too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started using ack mainly because of Java&#8217;s deep nesting.  It has lots of nice features for other languages too.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly the last thing I tried was the binary package. Even then I couldn&#039;t actually get OpenNMS to build in it &lt;b&gt;for some unknown reason&lt;/b&gt; probably because some of the plugins were not installed properly.

I agree the distros seem to have issues with packaging Java apps, most likely because Java hasn&#039;t been &quot;free&quot; for that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly the last thing I tried was the binary package. Even then I couldn&#8217;t actually get OpenNMS to build in it <b>for some unknown reason</b> probably because some of the plugins were not installed properly.</p>
<p>I agree the distros seem to have issues with packaging Java apps, most likely because Java hasn&#8217;t been &#8220;free&#8221; for that long.</p>
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